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	<title>Comments on: On Smith on Lyotard on Distinctively Modern “Metanarratives”</title>
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		<title>By: James Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good call - though I&#039;m biased!  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My next buy for electric: http://www.parkerguitars.com/code/models/models_fly_classic_intro.asp&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also like Musicman (the pricey ones, that is), Ibanez, ESP, and PRS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good call &#8211; though I&#8217;m biased!  </p>
<p>My next buy for electric: <a href="http://www.parkerguitars.com/code/models/models_fly_classic_intro.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.parkerguitars.com/code/models/models_fly_classic_intro.asp</a></p>
<p>I also like Musicman (the pricey ones, that is), Ibanez, ESP, and PRS.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 14:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks as to the guitar comment. I do remember an exchange with Sudduth after my &quot;conversion&quot; to Gibson 175&#039;s over Fender strats :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Cheers,&lt;br/&gt;Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,</p>
<p>Thanks as to the guitar comment. I do remember an exchange with Sudduth after my &#8220;conversion&#8221; to Gibson 175&#8242;s over Fender strats :)</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />Cynthia</p>
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		<title>By: James Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 03:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHA.  I love it! :) &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Btw. Good strummin on the guitar!  Did you know that both Michael Sudduth and I also played in bands (not together though), and Aaron Bradford does too?  GC should just become a musician&#039;s forum! :) j/k James A if you&#039;re reading this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHA.  I love it! :) </p>
<p>Btw. Good strummin on the guitar!  Did you know that both Michael Sudduth and I also played in bands (not together though), and Aaron Bradford does too?  GC should just become a musician&#8217;s forum! :) j/k James A if you&#8217;re reading this.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dan,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would highly recommend reading Smith&#039;s book when you have time :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Smith is not uncritical of Lyotard, however, I am focusing more on the positive contributions in this post.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Kind regards,&lt;br/&gt;Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>I would highly recommend reading Smith&#8217;s book when you have time :)</p>
<p>Smith is not uncritical of Lyotard, however, I am focusing more on the positive contributions in this post.  </p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />Cynthia</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 05:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been meaning to read Smith&#039;s new book, but I keep getting distracted by other things (such as Barth&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Dogmatics&lt;/i&gt; and Balthasars&#039; &lt;i&gt;Mysterium Pachale&lt;/i&gt;).  Sigh.  So much reading, so little time.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for posting this.  I recently read Lyotard&#039;s book, &lt;i&gt;The Postmodern Condition&lt;/i&gt;, so it is interesting to hear what others are thinking about this topic.  Folks like Wittgenstein and Lyotard continually draw me back to Barth&#039;s assertion that all knowledge of God is premised upon GOd&#039;s self-revelation.  Therefore, there will always be an element of mystery present within the language game played by the Church -- and this element cannot be communicated convincingly to other &quot;islands of determinism&quot; (Lyotard&#039;s words), unless God chooses to reveal himself.  Successful communication of Christian truth-claims is always a tricky blend of Word, deed, and miracle.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Given what you have said of Smith&#039;s perspective, I fear I may be more critical of Lyotard than he is.  I am suspicion of a form of knowledge that is legitimated &lt;i&gt;solely&lt;/i&gt; by paralogy.  Furthermore, I disagree with Lyotard when he argues that we can only produce knowledge of the unknown and not of the known.  Finally, Lyotard&#039;s focus on dissension rather than consent is useful for countering hegemonic states and oppressive institutions but I do not entirely discard stable systems because of my faith in a Creator God.  Among other things, the cross of Christ teaches us that there are &quot;systems of control&quot; that are not &quot;terrorist&quot;.  God&#039;s system of control does not &quot;remove other players from the game&quot;, rather God himself, in Christ, is removed from the game, taking on the full consequences of terror in order to set us free.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Grace and peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been meaning to read Smith&#8217;s new book, but I keep getting distracted by other things (such as Barth&#8217;s <i>Dogmatics</i> and Balthasars&#8217; <i>Mysterium Pachale</i>).  Sigh.  So much reading, so little time.</p>
<p>Thanks for posting this.  I recently read Lyotard&#8217;s book, <i>The Postmodern Condition</i>, so it is interesting to hear what others are thinking about this topic.  Folks like Wittgenstein and Lyotard continually draw me back to Barth&#8217;s assertion that all knowledge of God is premised upon GOd&#8217;s self-revelation.  Therefore, there will always be an element of mystery present within the language game played by the Church &#8212; and this element cannot be communicated convincingly to other &#8220;islands of determinism&#8221; (Lyotard&#8217;s words), unless God chooses to reveal himself.  Successful communication of Christian truth-claims is always a tricky blend of Word, deed, and miracle.</p>
<p>Given what you have said of Smith&#8217;s perspective, I fear I may be more critical of Lyotard than he is.  I am suspicion of a form of knowledge that is legitimated <i>solely</i> by paralogy.  Furthermore, I disagree with Lyotard when he argues that we can only produce knowledge of the unknown and not of the known.  Finally, Lyotard&#8217;s focus on dissension rather than consent is useful for countering hegemonic states and oppressive institutions but I do not entirely discard stable systems because of my faith in a Creator God.  Among other things, the cross of Christ teaches us that there are &#8220;systems of control&#8221; that are not &#8220;terrorist&#8221;.  God&#8217;s system of control does not &#8220;remove other players from the game&#8221;, rather God himself, in Christ, is removed from the game, taking on the full consequences of terror in order to set us free.</p>
<p>Grace and peace.</p>
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