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	<title>Comments on: Part II:  Hobbes&#8217; Philosophically and Politically Motivated Biblical Exegesis</title>
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		<title>By: D. Scargill</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Scargill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Initially, I actually wrote out a few thousand word response, discussing Hobbes&#039;s physics, his views on reason, the laws of nature, the process of ratiocination (what is found out by it), &amp;c.  But I&#039;ve decided to spare you and instead respond as concisely as possible.

You say, &#039;Presumably, Hobbes would respond that this inevitable situation points to the need for a sovereign as the final arbiter of religious disagreements.  This solution, however, seems to be formally equivalent to the very thing that Hobbes criticizes in the Roman Church, viz., a kind of non-thinking deference to papal authority.&#039;

While I, of course, accept what you say the in the first sentence, I&#039;m a bit more dubious about the conclusion you come to in the second.  We must consider the Protestant line Hobbes tows with regards to the position he takes on conscience.  What one professes outwardly need not conform to ones inward convictions (or rather, one&#039;s inward persuasions); making faith, the bible, and one&#039;s interpretation thereof, an individual pursuit.  Quoting Locke, &#039;the heart may be lift up to heaven, whilst the body bows&#039;.

I look forward to your response.

D.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Initially, I actually wrote out a few thousand word response, discussing Hobbes&#8217;s physics, his views on reason, the laws of nature, the process of ratiocination (what is found out by it), &amp;c.  But I&#8217;ve decided to spare you and instead respond as concisely as possible.</p>
<p>You say, &#8216;Presumably, Hobbes would respond that this inevitable situation points to the need for a sovereign as the final arbiter of religious disagreements.  This solution, however, seems to be formally equivalent to the very thing that Hobbes criticizes in the Roman Church, viz., a kind of non-thinking deference to papal authority.&#8217;</p>
<p>While I, of course, accept what you say the in the first sentence, I&#8217;m a bit more dubious about the conclusion you come to in the second.  We must consider the Protestant line Hobbes tows with regards to the position he takes on conscience.  What one professes outwardly need not conform to ones inward convictions (or rather, one&#8217;s inward persuasions); making faith, the bible, and one&#8217;s interpretation thereof, an individual pursuit.  Quoting Locke, &#8216;the heart may be lift up to heaven, whilst the body bows&#8217;.</p>
<p>I look forward to your response.</p>
<p>D.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting Posts on Hobbes &#171; Vox Nova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting Posts on Hobbes &#171; Vox Nova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cynthia R. Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia R. Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim,

Yes, reading Hobbes is not the most pleasant experience. I find his rhetoric frustrating, and his criticisms and arguments strike me as being easily turned back on him (e.g., his claim that Christianity was corrupted by Greek philosophy, his claims that Christians rely too heavily on authority and tradition and fail to use their reason etc.). 

It&#039;s always great to receive a comment from a Scot, so thanks again for dropping by.

Best,
Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim,</p>
<p>Yes, reading Hobbes is not the most pleasant experience. I find his rhetoric frustrating, and his criticisms and arguments strike me as being easily turned back on him (e.g., his claim that Christianity was corrupted by Greek philosophy, his claims that Christians rely too heavily on authority and tradition and fail to use their reason etc.). </p>
<p>It&#8217;s always great to receive a comment from a Scot, so thanks again for dropping by.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Cynthia</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cynthia. I first encountered Hobbes and Leviathan through the teaching of Alexander Broadie at Glasgow University in the 1970&#039;s when i studied Moral philosophy! It was a deeply disconcerting experience for a young Chritian still not very sure of his way around those places where there be dragons - and leviathans! Those years taught me a lot of important things I needed to know - but mostly, how to think. And my early morning (9.00 lectures) encounters with Hobbes through Broadie, were like gym training for a mind eager to learn, willing to be opened, but realising it wouldn&#039;t be a comfortable process. 

Thanks for all the stuff you write - I don&#039;t often comment, but I do always appreciate.

With best wishes from Scotland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cynthia. I first encountered Hobbes and Leviathan through the teaching of Alexander Broadie at Glasgow University in the 1970&#8242;s when i studied Moral philosophy! It was a deeply disconcerting experience for a young Chritian still not very sure of his way around those places where there be dragons &#8211; and leviathans! Those years taught me a lot of important things I needed to know &#8211; but mostly, how to think. And my early morning (9.00 lectures) encounters with Hobbes through Broadie, were like gym training for a mind eager to learn, willing to be opened, but realising it wouldn&#8217;t be a comfortable process. </p>
<p>Thanks for all the stuff you write &#8211; I don&#8217;t often comment, but I do always appreciate.</p>
<p>With best wishes from Scotland.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i read milbank&#039;s theology and social theory over last summer. it has been wonderful to see you devote such space to further discussion on hobbes, as milbank only gave him part of his book&#039;s first chapter. i know others have done this as well, but not with such specificity on his exegesis. thank you for this. another reason i enjoy this blog so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i read milbank&#8217;s theology and social theory over last summer. it has been wonderful to see you devote such space to further discussion on hobbes, as milbank only gave him part of his book&#8217;s first chapter. i know others have done this as well, but not with such specificity on his exegesis. thank you for this. another reason i enjoy this blog so much.</p>
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