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	<title>Comments on: Part II:  Phenomenological Explorations of Music</title>
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		<title>By: Cynthia R. Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia R. Nielsen</dc:creator>
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		<description>Hi Dave,

Agreed!  The more I read of Gadamer, the more I see that he is committed to a kind of (modified) Platonic ontology.  Also, I am pretty convinced that Gadamer is not a relativist.  See Brice Wachterhauser&#039;s essay in the Cambridge Companion to Gadamer.  So perhaps these are areas where Gadamer and Derrida would differ?  Again, I haven&#039;t read enough of Derrida to be able to speak about him with any kind of genuine depth.  

Best, 
Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,</p>
<p>Agreed!  The more I read of Gadamer, the more I see that he is committed to a kind of (modified) Platonic ontology.  Also, I am pretty convinced that Gadamer is not a relativist.  See Brice Wachterhauser&#8217;s essay in the Cambridge Companion to Gadamer.  So perhaps these are areas where Gadamer and Derrida would differ?  Again, I haven&#8217;t read enough of Derrida to be able to speak about him with any kind of genuine depth.  </p>
<p>Best,<br />
Cynthia</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Belcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Belcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynthia, well I perhaps have an equally limited knowledge of Gadamer -- if not greater! And my knowledge of anything is always frail. So, perhaps we can offer gifts to one another from out of that frailty. I have seen so many vehement conversations these days (and trapped within their webs at times), it is a refreshing prospect for the delight in mutual upbuilding through theological discourse! 

Perhaps the best place to look for the stuff on autobiography in Derrida is his short volume of a couple of essays entitled, &lt;i&gt;The Ear of the Other&lt;/i&gt;. He also does some interesting things with authorship in Plato&#039;s Pharmacy (from &lt;i&gt;Disseminations&lt;/i&gt;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynthia, well I perhaps have an equally limited knowledge of Gadamer &#8212; if not greater! And my knowledge of anything is always frail. So, perhaps we can offer gifts to one another from out of that frailty. I have seen so many vehement conversations these days (and trapped within their webs at times), it is a refreshing prospect for the delight in mutual upbuilding through theological discourse! </p>
<p>Perhaps the best place to look for the stuff on autobiography in Derrida is his short volume of a couple of essays entitled, <i>The Ear of the Other</i>. He also does some interesting things with authorship in Plato&#8217;s Pharmacy (from <i>Disseminations</i>).</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia R. Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia R. Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave, 

Always good to hear from you.  I appreciate your comments and agree that the jazz/classical divide is overrated.  I also find your connections with Derrida interesting, especially in light of my very limited knowledge of Derrida.

Best wishes,
Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave, </p>
<p>Always good to hear from you.  I appreciate your comments and agree that the jazz/classical divide is overrated.  I also find your connections with Derrida interesting, especially in light of my very limited knowledge of Derrida.</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
Cynthia</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Belcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Belcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify, the Baroque improvisation was a common technique for lutenists (and this was the case for the Renaissance period as well -- the peasant lutenist being kind of the jester&#039;s music for the kingly court). It might extend beyond the lute, but that&#039;s primarily where I&#039;m drawing that example from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify, the Baroque improvisation was a common technique for lutenists (and this was the case for the Renaissance period as well &#8212; the peasant lutenist being kind of the jester&#8217;s music for the kingly court). It might extend beyond the lute, but that&#8217;s primarily where I&#8217;m drawing that example from.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Belcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Belcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cynthia, these are fascinating questions, and I&#039;ve really enjoyed these two posts thus far. 

I really like the kind of &quot;elasticisty&quot; (I&#039;ll come back to this) of a jazz lead sheet; the chordal structure remains the same, but any chordal structure already relates itself kind of inter-connectingly to other harmonic chordal structures...you can always substitute some chord for another (be it the relative minor or major, or something more complex if you have a 7 chord). So the really attentive and creative jazz player will allow the same song to come through but in a completely new way -- and I really think that perhaps the greatest improvisations in jazz take place &lt;i&gt;rhythmically&lt;/i&gt;, and not simply at the level of chordal substitutions. 

With a classical score, it would &lt;i&gt;seem&lt;/i&gt; that you don&#039;t have this kind of flexibility. And yet, there is a precedent for the jazz lead sheet in classical music as well. Both in Renaissance and more fully-developed in the Baroque period, often scores would be written -- for instrumentalists -- with only chords upon which the virtuoso would improvise. Cuban composer Leo Brouwer calls this the &quot;elasticity&quot; of Bach&#039;s baroque style...one that he says anticipates the &quot;atonal serialism&quot; of Berg and Webern and Schoenberg. 

In another sense of course, and especially as an instrumentalist myself, even a &quot;traditional&quot; score is never performed the same way twice. I really kind of think that there is a kind of &quot;otobiography&quot; (to poach on Derrida) in the performance of a written piece...the performer is herslef re-writing the piece &lt;i&gt;each time she plays it&lt;/i&gt; (and each time one&#039;s ear takes in the music, it is taken in in a new way as well). And I think this kind of Derridean displacement of the author aligns itself pretty closely to what you are doing with Gadamer as well. Again, thanks for just a wonderful set of stimulating reflections. Looking forward to more! No one writes about music any more! Give me V Jankelevitch or give me death!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynthia, these are fascinating questions, and I&#8217;ve really enjoyed these two posts thus far. </p>
<p>I really like the kind of &#8220;elasticisty&#8221; (I&#8217;ll come back to this) of a jazz lead sheet; the chordal structure remains the same, but any chordal structure already relates itself kind of inter-connectingly to other harmonic chordal structures&#8230;you can always substitute some chord for another (be it the relative minor or major, or something more complex if you have a 7 chord). So the really attentive and creative jazz player will allow the same song to come through but in a completely new way &#8212; and I really think that perhaps the greatest improvisations in jazz take place <i>rhythmically</i>, and not simply at the level of chordal substitutions. </p>
<p>With a classical score, it would <i>seem</i> that you don&#8217;t have this kind of flexibility. And yet, there is a precedent for the jazz lead sheet in classical music as well. Both in Renaissance and more fully-developed in the Baroque period, often scores would be written &#8212; for instrumentalists &#8212; with only chords upon which the virtuoso would improvise. Cuban composer Leo Brouwer calls this the &#8220;elasticity&#8221; of Bach&#8217;s baroque style&#8230;one that he says anticipates the &#8220;atonal serialism&#8221; of Berg and Webern and Schoenberg. </p>
<p>In another sense of course, and especially as an instrumentalist myself, even a &#8220;traditional&#8221; score is never performed the same way twice. I really kind of think that there is a kind of &#8220;otobiography&#8221; (to poach on Derrida) in the performance of a written piece&#8230;the performer is herslef re-writing the piece <i>each time she plays it</i> (and each time one&#8217;s ear takes in the music, it is taken in in a new way as well). And I think this kind of Derridean displacement of the author aligns itself pretty closely to what you are doing with Gadamer as well. Again, thanks for just a wonderful set of stimulating reflections. Looking forward to more! No one writes about music any more! Give me V Jankelevitch or give me death!</p>
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