Comments on: Conversations with Augustine: Essay #2, Augustine and Henry of Ghent http://percaritatem.com/2008/08/04/conversations-with-augustine-augustine-and-henry-of-ghent/ Non intratur in veritatem nisi per caritatem. St. Augustine Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:27:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Trent Dougherty http://percaritatem.com/2008/08/04/conversations-with-augustine-augustine-and-henry-of-ghent/comment-page-1/#comment-5907 Trent Dougherty Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:54:12 +0000 http://percaritatem.com/?p=630#comment-5907 Very cool post! I looked for a way to contact you on this site, but couldn't find one. I'd like to talk a bit. Two coincidences: I found this site searching for some stuff on Ancient-Medieval epistemology and you're right down the road (I'm at Baylor). Also, I'm a friend of Apolinios! How funny is that! Anyway, my contact info is in the form, so I hope I'll be hearing from you. Very cool post! I looked for a way to contact you on this site, but couldn’t find one. I’d like to talk a bit. Two coincidences: I found this site searching for some stuff on Ancient-Medieval epistemology and you’re right down the road (I’m at Baylor). Also, I’m a friend of Apolinios! How funny is that!

Anyway, my contact info is in the form, so I hope I’ll be hearing from you.

]]> By: Apolonio http://percaritatem.com/2008/08/04/conversations-with-augustine-augustine-and-henry-of-ghent/comment-page-1/#comment-3480 Apolonio Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:33:03 +0000 http://percaritatem.com/?p=630#comment-3480 Or..take my first argument 1) Every thing that God creates is a created being 2) God created Apolonio C) Apolonio is a created being. It seems that a person can be certain of 1 and uncertain of 2 (a person who has never met or heard of Apolonio) but be certain of C. Or..take my first argument

1) Every thing that God creates is a created being

2) God created Apolonio

C) Apolonio is a created being.

It seems that a person can be certain of 1 and uncertain of 2 (a person who has never met or heard of Apolonio) but be certain of C.

]]> By: Apolonio http://percaritatem.com/2008/08/04/conversations-with-augustine-augustine-and-henry-of-ghent/comment-page-1/#comment-3479 Apolonio Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:29:47 +0000 http://percaritatem.com/?p=630#comment-3479 Hmm...I don't know about Scotus' argument that a necessary and contingent premise must entail a contingent conclusion. 1) Every thing that God creates is a created being. (Necessary) 2) God created Apolonio. (contingent) C) Apolonio is a created being. (necessary, that is, there is no world where Apolonio is not a created being) Plus, Scotus seems to be wrong to think that something certain and something uncertain cannot produce something certain. For example 1) S is certain that he does not have 4 million dollars. 2) S has a lottery ticket. 3) S is not certain that the lottery ticket is a winning or losing ticket. (say te winner gets 4 million dollars) 4) S is certain that he cannot afford a 4 million dollar helicopter. Is 4 absurd? I don't think so. Hmm…I don’t know about Scotus’ argument that a necessary and contingent premise must entail a contingent conclusion.

1) Every thing that God creates is a created being. (Necessary)

2) God created Apolonio. (contingent)

C) Apolonio is a created being. (necessary, that is, there is no world where Apolonio is not a created being)

Plus, Scotus seems to be wrong to think that something certain and something uncertain cannot produce something certain. For example

1) S is certain that he does not have 4 million dollars.
2) S has a lottery ticket.
3) S is not certain that the lottery ticket is a winning or losing ticket. (say te winner gets 4 million dollars)
4) S is certain that he cannot afford a 4 million dollar helicopter.

Is 4 absurd? I don’t think so.

]]> By: Cynthia R. Nielsen http://percaritatem.com/2008/08/04/conversations-with-augustine-augustine-and-henry-of-ghent/comment-page-1/#comment-3460 Cynthia R. Nielsen Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:57:46 +0000 http://percaritatem.com/?p=630#comment-3460 I know that I said that each essay gets a two day stint before the commentary is posted, but I think that the commentary for this essay is going to provoke a good deal of discussion. So, Shane, would you mind if I go ahead and post the commentary, or would you prefer that I wait until Weds? I know that I said that each essay gets a two day stint before the commentary is posted, but I think that the commentary for this essay is going to provoke a good deal of discussion. So, Shane, would you mind if I go ahead and post the commentary, or would you prefer that I wait until Weds?

]]> By: Scott http://percaritatem.com/2008/08/04/conversations-with-augustine-augustine-and-henry-of-ghent/comment-page-1/#comment-3459 Scott Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:29:01 +0000 http://percaritatem.com/?p=630#comment-3459 Quick note: Augustine read Cicero's Hortensius, which was a summary of sorts of Aristotle. I too have found lots of overlap btwn. Aug. and Aristotle on some points. Namely, when it comes to sensation, but not when it comes to intellectual features. Quick note: Augustine read Cicero’s Hortensius, which was a summary of sorts of Aristotle. I too have found lots of overlap btwn. Aug. and Aristotle on some points. Namely, when it comes to sensation, but not when it comes to intellectual features.

]]> By: WTM http://percaritatem.com/2008/08/04/conversations-with-augustine-augustine-and-henry-of-ghent/comment-page-1/#comment-3457 WTM Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:45:08 +0000 http://percaritatem.com/?p=630#comment-3457 What a comprehensive and masterful picture Shane has given us here - far beyond my arena of competence to pass judgment! And, thanks to Cynthia for organizing what promises to be and has already been a great blog conference. Shane, I wanted to mention to you one point for further reflection in refining your ‘story’ here. There is some material in Augustine’s <i>De Trinitate</i> (the precise book escapes me now but I could find it if necessary) where he discusses memory. Now, this isn’t exactly the same thing as a discussion of cognition <i>per se</i>, but it is certainly related and overlapping. In any case, he sounds in this material far more like Aristotle than in the material you have lifted up to us in which he sounds like Plato. In this material, the experiences of our senses impress themselves on our minds and we then make use of these impressions to anticipate things we have not yet experienced, etc. So, for instance, if you have seen one city, you can more or less imagine what another city looks like when someone describes it to you. In any case, it may well be that the divergence in the later tradition is the result of a tension already found in Augustine himself. What a comprehensive and masterful picture Shane has given us here – far beyond my arena of competence to pass judgment! And, thanks to Cynthia for organizing what promises to be and has already been a great blog conference.

Shane, I wanted to mention to you one point for further reflection in refining your ‘story’ here. There is some material in Augustine’s De Trinitate (the precise book escapes me now but I could find it if necessary) where he discusses memory. Now, this isn’t exactly the same thing as a discussion of cognition per se, but it is certainly related and overlapping. In any case, he sounds in this material far more like Aristotle than in the material you have lifted up to us in which he sounds like Plato. In this material, the experiences of our senses impress themselves on our minds and we then make use of these impressions to anticipate things we have not yet experienced, etc. So, for instance, if you have seen one city, you can more or less imagine what another city looks like when someone describes it to you. In any case, it may well be that the divergence in the later tradition is the result of a tension already found in Augustine himself.

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