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	<title>Comments on: Foucault on Relations of Power and Relations of Constraint: Is Chattel Slavery the Former, the Latter or Both?</title>
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		<title>By: Cynthia R. Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://percaritatem.com/2010/03/06/foucault-on-relations-of-power-and-relations-of-constraint-is-chattel-slavery-the-former-the-latter-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-5653</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia R. Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, Remy.  I&#039;ll have to read that article in the near future.  Do drop by again!

With all good wishes,
Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Remy.  I&#8217;ll have to read that article in the near future.  Do drop by again!</p>
<p>With all good wishes,<br />
Cynthia</p>
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		<title>By: remy</title>
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		<dc:creator>remy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 00:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi again Cynthia,

MF&#039;s analysis revolves around Islam as a form of &#039;political spirituality&#039;, an entirely different way of coming to know the self and politics than the Western liberal or revolutionary narrative (i.e. self-control, religious rituals or the veil as a means of agency). I thought this might be an interesting intersection for your own work:

&quot;I do not feel comfortable speaking of Islamic government as an &quot;idea&quot; or even as an &quot;ideal.&quot; Rather, it impressed me as a form of &quot;political will.&quot; It impressed me in its effort to politicize structures that are inseparably social and religious in response to current problems. It also impressed me in its attempt to open a spiritual dimension in politics.&quot;

This phase of his life is rather strange and much avoided by academics in the West, but in a way it links to later-Foucault&#039;s move from technologies of power to technologies of the self in Graeco-Roman and Christian discourse. 

You can read this particular article by MF at www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/007863.html. All his writings on Iran are collected in the appendix of a pretty awful book/commentary by Anderson and Afary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi again Cynthia,</p>
<p>MF&#8217;s analysis revolves around Islam as a form of &#8216;political spirituality&#8217;, an entirely different way of coming to know the self and politics than the Western liberal or revolutionary narrative (i.e. self-control, religious rituals or the veil as a means of agency). I thought this might be an interesting intersection for your own work:</p>
<p>&#8220;I do not feel comfortable speaking of Islamic government as an &#8220;idea&#8221; or even as an &#8220;ideal.&#8221; Rather, it impressed me as a form of &#8220;political will.&#8221; It impressed me in its effort to politicize structures that are inseparably social and religious in response to current problems. It also impressed me in its attempt to open a spiritual dimension in politics.&#8221;</p>
<p>This phase of his life is rather strange and much avoided by academics in the West, but in a way it links to later-Foucault&#8217;s move from technologies of power to technologies of the self in Graeco-Roman and Christian discourse. </p>
<p>You can read this particular article by MF at <a href="http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/007863.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/007863.html</a>. All his writings on Iran are collected in the appendix of a pretty awful book/commentary by Anderson and Afary.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia R. Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://percaritatem.com/2010/03/06/foucault-on-relations-of-power-and-relations-of-constraint-is-chattel-slavery-the-former-the-latter-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-5651</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia R. Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Remy,

I agree that Foucault does not attempt to spell out how resistance should occur or whether x&#039;s articulation of it in an ancient regime is better than y&#039;s who lives in the modern West, as that doesn&#039;t fit his project.  

I haven&#039;t read his Iranian reports.  If you have time, would you summarize some of what he says?  

With all good wishes,
Cynthia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Remy,</p>
<p>I agree that Foucault does not attempt to spell out how resistance should occur or whether x&#8217;s articulation of it in an ancient regime is better than y&#8217;s who lives in the modern West, as that doesn&#8217;t fit his project.  </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read his Iranian reports.  If you have time, would you summarize some of what he says?  </p>
<p>With all good wishes,<br />
Cynthia</p>
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		<title>By: remy</title>
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		<dc:creator>remy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi cynthia,

i think this is where foucault is notoriously vague, but perhaps intentionally so. on the one hand, he insists that resistance always accompanies power no matter how extremely exercised. (i think in the interview &#039;The ethic of care of self and the practice of freedom&#039; he suggests that jumping out of a window as one mode of resistance to slavery). on the other hand, he refuses to articulate how such a resistance may arise because each mode is a singularity to be understood in its own right.

this is where Foucault is probably most interesting. Have you read his Iranian reports? they demonstrate his approach in a way that would make most western liberals uncomfortable</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi cynthia,</p>
<p>i think this is where foucault is notoriously vague, but perhaps intentionally so. on the one hand, he insists that resistance always accompanies power no matter how extremely exercised. (i think in the interview &#8216;The ethic of care of self and the practice of freedom&#8217; he suggests that jumping out of a window as one mode of resistance to slavery). on the other hand, he refuses to articulate how such a resistance may arise because each mode is a singularity to be understood in its own right.</p>
<p>this is where Foucault is probably most interesting. Have you read his Iranian reports? they demonstrate his approach in a way that would make most western liberals uncomfortable</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia R. Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://percaritatem.com/2010/03/06/foucault-on-relations-of-power-and-relations-of-constraint-is-chattel-slavery-the-former-the-latter-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-5648</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia R. Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He says over in over in this essay as well as in &quot;The Ethic of Care for the Self as a Practice of Freedom,&quot; that subjects must be free in order for power relations to obtain.  He also stresses the fact (contrary to the way he is misrepresented) power and resistance are correlative.  Just because there is &quot;power everywhere&quot; does *not* mean that agency is canceled, that resistance (in the case of something like a state of domination) is impossible or that there are no intentional goals on the part of individuals or groups.  

I understand (at least one aspect or possibility of)  a &quot;state of domination&quot;  to arise as a result of a power relations gone bad.  This doesn&#039;t, however, seem to mean that one could not &quot;raise&quot; the relation back to a power relation.  In other words, there is dynamism of among the states and relations that is ongoing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He says over in over in this essay as well as in &#8220;The Ethic of Care for the Self as a Practice of Freedom,&#8221; that subjects must be free in order for power relations to obtain.  He also stresses the fact (contrary to the way he is misrepresented) power and resistance are correlative.  Just because there is &#8220;power everywhere&#8221; does *not* mean that agency is canceled, that resistance (in the case of something like a state of domination) is impossible or that there are no intentional goals on the part of individuals or groups.  </p>
<p>I understand (at least one aspect or possibility of)  a &#8220;state of domination&#8221;  to arise as a result of a power relations gone bad.  This doesn&#8217;t, however, seem to mean that one could not &#8220;raise&#8221; the relation back to a power relation.  In other words, there is dynamism of among the states and relations that is ongoing.</p>
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		<title>By: remy</title>
		<link>http://percaritatem.com/2010/03/06/foucault-on-relations-of-power-and-relations-of-constraint-is-chattel-slavery-the-former-the-latter-or-both/comment-page-1/#comment-5646</link>
		<dc:creator>remy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 07:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is foucault here contrasting &#039;relations of power&#039; with &#039;domination&#039; in the juridicial sense? if so, then maybe he is overwording the necessity of freedom within relations of power in contrast to the humanist &#039;free&#039; subject who is dominated by an external power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is foucault here contrasting &#8216;relations of power&#8217; with &#8216;domination&#8217; in the juridicial sense? if so, then maybe he is overwording the necessity of freedom within relations of power in contrast to the humanist &#8216;free&#8217; subject who is dominated by an external power.</p>
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		<description>[...] Cynthia Nielsen posts on Foucault and power (I, II, III) [...]</description>
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